Democrats, If The U.S.'s Healthcare System Is So Bad Then Why ...?

does the Canadian government pay for patients to travel to the U.S. for treatment?





Canada is increasingly sending patients to the U.S. for treatment.





"MW suffered from Stage 3C ovarian cancer with a complication of an impending bowel obstruction. The Appeal Board found that the waiting time in Ontario for the ovarian cancer surgery received in New York was between six to eight weeks.





The Appeal Board was satisfied that the out-of-country surgery was generally accepted as appropriate for the Appellant’s condition and that the surgery was available in Ontario. The primary issue for the Appeal Board was whether the delay in having the surgery would result in death or medically significant irreversible tissue damage.





The Appeal Board found that MW needed to travel out of country for surgery to avoid a delay in Ontario that would lead to death or medically significant irreversible damage. "


http://www.hsarb.on.ca/english/reports/H...

Democrats, If The U.S.'s Healthcare System Is So Bad Then Why ...?
In the USA, ANYONE can receive medical care ..THEY simply go to an Emergency Room...


Yes, hospitals charge for their services BUT medical care is ALWAYS provided regardless of income, status or citizenship..


MD's and other health professionals incur years of educational training and DEBT,equiptment from the simple dip sticks for urinalysis to the fancy scanners,maintaining the physical structure and paying the utilities,...ARE COSTS that must be paid.


Every human born will one day need medical assistance; income does not change this FACT. In the US,the old,disabled,orphans ARE subsidized by taxpayers. Other subsidy programs assist low income children,vaccinations are free to low income families...





I have NO desire to subsidize health care simply because people want something for nothing!! Everyone regardless of income is required to make choices,priortize their needs and plan for unexpected and or likely (health care) expenses.


Universal healthcare is ONLY an issue because politicians want votes and people want whatever they can get free or at clearance rate...


There are too many whiners who claim that they cant get "x' or cant afford "x", YET FAIL to acknowledge that they have made NO effort to change how they spend their $$ or or how they chose to live their life... No one can forsee what medical needs may arise BUT failure to expect that care will be needed is beyond stupid.


Charity is a freely given gift..IT is not a "right"!


The USA is by far the most generous society as it offrs opportunity,education and subsidized programs for many.


The healthcare in the US is excellent and yes people are expected to pay for services rendered.."national" healthcare will destroy the system, -medical personnel will chose other professions, imported poorly trained care givers will provide service...,conditions will have to meet a criteria list before treatment, facilities will become poorly maintained and lack newer equiptment.... private facilities will emerge for the wealthy ...etc.


I am amazed that soo many buy into this politically crafted deceit..spouting need to help the "suffering" who cant get care and really simply lusting for a freebee that will let them spend their $$ on something "good"/


FORCED charity is oppression and likely to sour those who routinely DO support various charatible (helping) organizations...





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Reply:you have got me there
Reply:"Hospitals cannot refuse healthcare to anyone"....that sounds like a very good healthcare system.
Reply:lol an HMO would NEVER allow that kind of flexibility.





Travel to another country because the wait is shorter?
Reply:Because American health care is second to none. But who paid for the Canadian citizens to come to America? It sounds like Canada did. Uninsured Americans can't have access to this care but Canadian citizens with national health care can.... You need to rethink your question, here, my friend.
Reply:The US healthcare system is great...but only if you have money. But then again...if you have money, you can have the best healtcare no matter where you live. That is why the US healthcare system doesn't work for close to 50million people!
Reply:If you wanted a face transplant you would have to go to France. Want to become a mother at an older age, try Italy.


Have you though of what would have become of the woman if she had no insurance in the US? She would have waited until the illness was so advanced she wouldn't be worried about getting the surgery, she'd be dead. And her estate would be liable for the cost of the care until her death.
Reply:If our health care is so good here, tell me why my husband has to wait until Oct. 1 to get surgery on his wrist. He needs his hands to make a living and the SOONEST we could get surgery was 7 weeks out. Granted, it's not a life threatening situation but it is certainly an financial hardship, not to mention painful.
Reply:Some US hospitals have very advanced machinery and surgeons. The problem is, most Americans can't get treated there because they can't afford to and would die untreated in a similar circumstance for the sake of greed.





The Canadian government insures that all its citizens get the treatment they need, even if it means going to another country.





Now which is the better system?
Reply:No one is questioning the quality of care.





It's the cost of care and the insurance companies power in determining if you get that care covered or not that is the problem.





Insurance company supervisors have testified before Congress that they have electively decided against allowing certain procedures because they were too costly to the company and the person died as a result of that decision!





That is unacceptable to me and should be to any American!
Reply:You're missing the point here. Quality of care is not the issue. The problem is health for profit too many people cannot afford care while health care executives are making billions. Salary caps and luxury tax would defer enough money to make healthcare more affordable on all levels.
Reply:Did you actually think this through?





Who said that that the quality of health care is bad?





It's the best in the world 99% of the time. BUT and here's the key....





ONLY if you can afford it.








I can give you an example of my situation. I have 2 jobs.





I can get health insurance for $300 a month. I would have a $5,000 deductible a year before coverage sets in.





I would then be responsible for $100 emergency room visits, $50 if admitted.





No maternity benefits, not that I need that.





I would then be responsible for 30% of everything after that. I woud have to get pre-approval for almost everything.





There are 47 million people uninsured. You can get life threatening emergency care, but that's it unless you can get Medicaid (welfare). I make too much to qualify for it.





When I did have medical insurance under my mom's policy (COBRA) it was $324 a month. After several back surgeries, 2 the insurance refused to cover, I had to file bankruptcy. This was 16 years ago.





This is normal in California, the main reason for filing that here is now over 40%.





Now, that is a MINIMUM of $8,600 every year. I had doctors who had never seen me making desicions on my care. I offered to travel to Georgia to see the head of this group, no go.





Yes, there is a crisis in this country, it is not exaggerated. We need something.
Reply:what a laugh.





Theres an american woman dying of cancer who cant afford treatment in the US, so she's offereing to marry any canadian who'll take her, just to get our health care.





Get a grip on reality. Your system is as terrible as your country.
Reply:The US healthcare system is not "bad", but very inefficient. If you have good isnurance coverage, the treatment here is better than anywhere in the world. The problem is that the current design of the system is making it cost prohibitive to continue without any change. One issue with this is that private insurance companies not only provide coverage, but they need to make a profit. That is why their overhead costs are 20% compared to 3% for medicare. This 17% difference gets passed on to consumers as higher premiums. Also, the system is too expensive for about 47 million people, which causes huge unnecessary expenses. People without coverage almost never go to doctors for annual check ups and to have minor problems looked at. This prevents doctors from catching problems in the begining stages when it is easier to treat and cure. The first time uninsured go to the doctor is when the problem has become serious and it requires thousands of dollars to treat. Since they are uninsured, the costs get passed on to the government and come out of our taxes. A good example of this is diabetes. When catched early, it is easily treatable, not very expensive and doesn't shorten or dramatically change a patients life. Uninsured hardly ever see a doctor at this early stage and by the time it is caught, the treatment is much more complicated. The price that gets paid by everybody is hundred of thousands of dollars in life saving treatment and a shortened much more difficult life for the patient. By adapting the current system, we can continue to offer the best treatment in the world, insure everybody and actually reduce how much it costs.





If we don't make any changes, though, the system will either bankrupt the government or cause everyone to pay significantly higher taxes.
Reply:why do Americans go up there to get medication?





many more go up there than come down here...





you cite three people... the floods that have gone up there were so bad that congress was working on making it illegal... if you remember a couple of years ago...
Reply:The Word of God says that by His stripes we were healed.





I'm talking about Jesus and him being crucified.





Hate me for saying it if you want, but the best healthcare that there is is the words that come out of your mouth.





This isn't to say that doctors aren't beneficial. Sometimes while when one is awaiting healing, doctors play the intermediary part.





For with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.





Also, Jesus said a very profound statement. He said that whosoever shall say unto this mountain be thou removed and be thou cast into the sea and shall not doubt in his heart but believes the things he/she says, he/she shall have whatsoever he/she says.





Proverbs also says that life and death are in the power of the tongue and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
Reply:Health care sucks in America, among other things.


America going back ward on full speed! soon, it'll be a 3d world country.





Every thing is a mess in this society. Racism, education system, health care system, prejudice, politics and leadership specially!
Reply:Strangely enough it does work fairly well.


The low low population of Canada does not seem to make possible the expensive technology needed to respond to medical needs here in Canada especially when the U.S.A. is right next door and has the technology.


The Canadian Health Care System pays the bill for it's citizen to travel there and receive treatment.


Seems to be working.


Would your health insurance do the same?
Reply:You sir misrepresent the true facts, and slant the skewed facts that you have to suit your narrow minded point of view.
Reply:That sure was nice of the Canadian government to pay for their travel, stay and healthcare in the US.





Our government would never do that for a US citizen unless it provided them a good photo op. They won't even pay for people to be on medicaid with terminal cancer.
Reply:At least Canada gives their Citizenry something!





Have your ever been to Canada?





Have you ever talked to a Canadian Citizen?





My husband and I trucked there for years, and know what, they feel Sorry For The Citizen of the USA!





They say they have it BETTER! KNOW WHAT, THEY DO!!
Reply:I have documented data on the death of US health care. Two main reasons the failure to address the cause and [prevention of medical problems and the adverse reactions to medications
Reply:I don't know!
Reply:You are mixing up health care quality with health care insurance. In the US there are three kinds of people seeking health care: people with insurance so they don't have to seriously worry about paying for their care; people with enough money that they don't have to seriously worry about paying for their care; and people without insurance and with too little money, who often remain sick because they can't afford the cost of health care. For the first two classes of people, the health care standard in the US is world-class.
Reply:U.S. has great healthcare. The democrats just need a few good reasons to raise taxes and make people who work hard to become rich to no longer be able to get rich.
Reply:They cannot factually back up their assertion that America's Health Care system is "so bad".





Canada's health care system is failing.
Reply:Becasue they want to increase the size of federal government.





I have an educational video for you about basic economics and government subsidies on the Yankee Commentary.
Reply:Absolutely excellent question and good examples to back it up.


I am sure there are people in the US who simply can't afford health care - but I am equally sure that there are many who simply refuse to give up their toys and include it in their budget.


Were you also aware that Cuba brought in a foreign doctor to care for Fidel during his recent illness? And Michael Moore thinks that's an acceptable health care system?
Reply:The left has their medicaid....


they just aren't satisfied with it because they can't use it to abort their children!





they want socialized medicine so us tax payers can pay for their bad judgment!